Comments on: The good, the bad and the Zope http://blog.mfabrik.com/2008/04/18/the-good-the-bad-and-the-zope/ Freedom delivered. Thu, 02 Sep 2010 06:27:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Michael R. Bernstein http://blog.mfabrik.com/2008/04/18/the-good-the-bad-and-the-zope/comment-page-1/#comment-390 Michael R. Bernstein Sat, 07 Jun 2008 08:28:52 +0000 http://blog.redinnovation.com/2008/04/18/the-good-the-bad-and-the-zope/#comment-390 that result for "Zope 3 Interfaces" is pretty ugly all right. Something better comes up when you search for "Zope 3 Component" though: http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/ComponentArchitecture that result for “Zope 3 Interfaces” is pretty ugly all right. Something better comes up when you search for “Zope 3 Component” though:
http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/ComponentArchitecture

]]> By: Philipp von Weitershausen http://blog.mfabrik.com/2008/04/18/the-good-the-bad-and-the-zope/comment-page-1/#comment-379 Philipp von Weitershausen Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:07:08 +0000 http://blog.redinnovation.com/2008/04/18/the-good-the-bad-and-the-zope/#comment-379 Martijn's post was actually titled "No, you *are* smart enough for Zope." You're right about the rest, though. Googling for "Zope 3" turns up this, though: http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/Zope3Wiki. While certainly not perfect and up-to-date, it has lots of useful information (especially the ZopeForMereMortals section). Martijn’s post was actually titled “No, you *are* smart enough for Zope.”

You’re right about the rest, though. Googling for “Zope 3″ turns up this, though: http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/Zope3Wiki. While certainly not perfect and up-to-date, it has lots of useful information (especially the ZopeForMereMortals section).

]]> By: Martijn Faassen http://blog.mfabrik.com/2008/04/18/the-good-the-bad-and-the-zope/comment-page-1/#comment-378 Martijn Faassen Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:34:02 +0000 http://blog.redinnovation.com/2008/04/18/the-good-the-bad-and-the-zope/#comment-378 It is hard to get good content written. I didn't claim it's hard to write good content - it just takes a bit of thinking and some work. I do it frequently. But I stand by the observation that it's hard to get people actually contribute content. I've tried repeatedly, with limited success. I'm not giving up. By the way, grok.zope.org is an attempt to have good content available as connected with the Grok framework. If you're interested in writing up an article on zope.interface, we'd be happy to put it up. It is hard to get good content written. I didn’t claim it’s hard to write good content – it just takes a bit of thinking and some work. I do it frequently. But I stand by the observation that it’s hard to get people actually contribute content. I’ve tried repeatedly, with limited success. I’m not giving up.

By the way, grok.zope.org is an attempt to have good content available as connected with the Grok framework. If you’re interested in writing up an article on zope.interface, we’d be happy to put it up.

]]> By: Simon Michael http://blog.mfabrik.com/2008/04/18/the-good-the-bad-and-the-zope/comment-page-1/#comment-377 Simon Michael Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:30:26 +0000 http://blog.redinnovation.com/2008/04/18/the-good-the-bad-and-the-zope/#comment-377 Hi Mikko, thanks for the feedback. I have added some text to that page to hopefully make the situation clearer. A few more comments: - WikiWords have known advantages for developers in rapid collaboration mode, which is where this wiki comes from. The more user-oriented docs at the zope 3 wiki have moved towards normal spelling. As kedai points out, the permission error tells you how to get comment access in a couple of clicks. This step is what keeps the wikis spam-free. If we didn't show the comment form, you would not have commented and we would have lost this valuable feedback. But your reaction tells me the message could be more friendly, I'll work on that. Going to zope.org in order to get wiki edit access was a (understandable) big mistake - that site has well-known problems. The zope community has long been aware of all this mess, but has been unable to fix it quickly. Things are happening though, even for zope.org. More help would be very useful. Thanks again, great post! Hi Mikko, thanks for the feedback. I have added some text to that page to hopefully make the situation clearer.

A few more comments:

- WikiWords have known advantages for developers in rapid collaboration mode, which is where this wiki comes from. The more user-oriented docs at the zope 3 wiki have moved towards normal spelling.

As kedai points out, the permission error tells you how to get comment access in a couple of clicks. This step is what keeps the wikis spam-free. If we didn’t show the comment form, you would not have commented and we would have lost this valuable feedback. But your reaction tells me the message could be more friendly, I’ll work on that.

Going to zope.org in order to get wiki edit access was a (understandable) big mistake – that site has well-known problems. The zope community has long been aware of all this mess, but has been unable to fix it quickly. Things are happening though, even for zope.org. More help would be very useful.

Thanks again, great post!

]]> By: kedai http://blog.mfabrik.com/2008/04/18/the-good-the-bad-and-the-zope/comment-page-1/#comment-376 kedai Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:36:40 +0000 http://blog.redinnovation.com/2008/04/18/the-good-the-bad-and-the-zope/#comment-376 here's a better link http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/WhatAreInterfaces old sites need to be pruned, else ... here’s a better link
http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/WhatAreInterfaces

old sites need to be pruned, else …

]]> By: kedai http://blog.mfabrik.com/2008/04/18/the-good-the-bad-and-the-zope/comment-page-1/#comment-375 kedai Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:03:32 +0000 http://blog.redinnovation.com/2008/04/18/the-good-the-bad-and-the-zope/#comment-375 hi sorry you got turned off by the page. it's actually a wiki, and requires commenters/editors to at least fill in the options (stated at the permission error page) or login. the easiest is to fill in the option, and you can comment/edit away. the camelcase is inherent to zope wiki, as other wikis, methinks. also, the zope wikis are not that hot with the zope communities. that particular page was created in 06. yup, it's been that long. now, as martijn said, zope (community) needs to do something with regard to the online presence and marketing. i guessed that's easier said than done. i know i've been waiting for the new zope community site for more than three years. i dunno. hi

sorry you got turned off by the page. it’s actually a wiki, and requires commenters/editors to at least fill in the options (stated at the permission error page) or login.

the easiest is to fill in the option, and you can comment/edit away.

the camelcase is inherent to zope wiki, as other wikis, methinks.

also, the zope wikis are not that hot with the zope communities. that particular page was created in 06. yup, it’s been that long.

now, as martijn said, zope (community) needs to do something with regard to the online presence and marketing.

i guessed that’s easier said than done. i know i’ve been waiting for the new zope community site for more than three years.

i dunno.

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